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Is a Honda/Harley Merger Pure Hogwash?
Is a Honda/Harley Merger Pure Hogwash?
Wednesday July 11, 2007
For the past several weeks, the business world has been abuzz with rumors that Honda, the venerable Japanese manufacturer, is scheming to buy Harley-Davidson, the all-American symbol of two-wheeled freedom.
The rumors were so rampant-- spread by reputable news sources such as Forbes and Bloomberg-- that at one point Harley-Davidson shares and options (NYSE: HOG) traded hands fourteen times more than usual.
Curious about such a fantastical (and somewhat frightening) prospect, I called a contact at Honda, who dismissed the rumors with an official "no comment" comment. Harley couldn't be reached (presumably because they're busy rolling out their '08 lineup,) but they would have no doubt issued the same response.
With the rumor mill officially quieting down (at least for the time being), I invite you to post your own thoughts on what a wild motorcycling world we'd have if Japan's finest took over America's pride and joy.
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July 11, 2007 at 8:15 am(1) DaveM123 says:
Pretty shocking if it happens. I would really hate to see an American icon like Harley being taken over by anyone. It’s hard to think that Harley would be in favor of it but you never know what will happen when big $$$$ gets involved.
July 11, 2007 at 8:27 am(2) rab7676 says:
My family has been riding Harley for many years and I would hate to see something like that happen. Harley is an American trademark that should not be sold.
July 11, 2007 at 10:01 am(3) alex says:
i don’t care for motorcycles that much, but it is a true american, but, i can’t say anything about honda much since we’ve owned 9 differn’t civics, and have a new ridgeline sitting in my drive way, honda knows how to build motorcyles obviously, even when harley was around cause they sold more motorcycles then any other company. so, what happen… happens
July 11, 2007 at 10:06 am(4) lady ndn says:
Nothing against Japan and/or their ability to make motorcycles, but part of the harley ride I have enjoyed is not just the rumble, or the look, but also that it is American made. It would be a sad day if Harley Davidson sold out. It would be a patriotic kick in the teeth if you ask me. Owning a Harley just wouldn’t be the same.
July 11, 2007 at 10:25 am(5) Slick says:
Sick! What’s next a rising star on Old Glory!!
July 11, 2007 at 10:26 am(6) warthog says:
All the hype about HD being great because it is American made is a load of crock. The last three bikes I have owned have all been Hondas. All of them were made in Marysville, Ohio. Honda has the reputation for making the most reliable motorcycles in the world, without exception. While I love all makes of bikes, I think HD could benefit from bringing its design past the 1950’s. My wife’s Honda Silver Wing Scooter had more horsepower than everything in HD’s lineup but the V-Rod, which has an engine designed by Porsche.
July 11, 2007 at 10:28 am(7) cindy says:
As an owner of a 2007 Road King and a 2005 Shadow I think the combatnation of Honda and Harley would be an unbeatable pair. I can not pick a favorite between the two. The Honda is reliabile and parts are cheaper. The Harley has the attitude and quality thats only American. I would be the first in line to puschase a new “Hardly Honda.”
July 11, 2007 at 10:30 am(8) PMF says:
If those who have posted comments only knew the percentage content of their beloved Harley Davidson, they might feel differently about the “strength” of this great American icon/brand. In serious motorcycling circles, Harley’s are considered poorly engineered and nowhere near the leading edge in terms of technology. It is inexcusable not to have ABS on a big cruising bike. Harley only offers ABS on their police models, only as of this year and solely because the competition have been providing this essential safety feature on their police for many years. So much for innovation.
July 11, 2007 at 10:49 am(9) ed says:
I’ve owned Honda/Yamaha/ Harley.
I guess one could argue, other than origin of name, which is more “American”.
Both are great companies and make great but definitely different products. To me the difference is as simple as looking at the machine. One is largely plastic and hi-tech, one is largely metal and old tech. For me part of the enjoyment of the ride is the nostalgia and “old” design of my Harley. In this world we deal with “state of the art” at every turn. It’s nice to have a little old tech when you want to escape. Harley has brought their design to a very reliable place while maintaining at least the perception of old tech. I hope who ever runs the Company, they stay their.
July 11, 2007 at 10:50 am(10) kate says:
Harley owners should research the many components on their bikes that are made overseas & simply assembled in the US. I would hope that if Honda bought Harley they would improve the bikes & bring more of the production to the US.
About improving the attitude of the riders - maybe ????
July 11, 2007 at 10:51 am(11) NEDucati says:
Aside from the emotional issues of yet another U.S. icon being purchased by a foreign company (ala Mercedes-Benz acquisition of Chrysler), I think it would be very positive for Harley-Davidson and its customers given Honda’s vast economic and technological resources. It would certainly improve Harley’s build quality and reliability. A Honda may lack the “soul” of a Harley or an Italian motorcycle, but Honda motorcycles are extremely reliable and inexpensive to maintain (like their cars).
July 11, 2007 at 10:57 am(12) DECIO-BRASIL says:
Hello fm Brazil,
Well I bought my Glide Classic to be different of the remainings, I hate or let’s say that I’m bored to see Hondas everywhere, I tried to be different when I bought my HD, will be a pain in the ass to see Hondas, in the end the idea is to finish with the brand HD, in business when somebody or something is bothering the big ones, then they try to eat it then in the end they will disapperar with it, probably will be sad, I think that it is not the right time for HD give up, because right now it is the turning point, HD is rising in all the world .. at least here in South America.
Rgds/Decio/Brazil
July 11, 2007 at 10:59 am(13) Dale Johnson says:
I remember Harley-Davidson from back in the 1970s when what they made was substandard in quality. From what I can tell today, their products are better but still not to the point where I would own one. Japanese quality, workmanship, and reliability is second to none worldwide regardless whether its a Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, or Suzuki. Such a merger would be great for the industry, respective companies, and riders as a whole. I hope it happens before next year’s Honda Hoot in Knoxville. That is one event I won’t miss when it happens.
July 11, 2007 at 11:01 am(14) Brett says:
This would just not be a good merger. I have ridden Harley’s and I own a Honda but these are just two different categories! You just dont mix the two. I gaurentee that the sale of Harley’s will decrease substantially.
July 11, 2007 at 11:02 am(15) the whale says:
Ha! what a delight! just what the Harley snobs deserve
July 11, 2007 at 11:04 am(16) FRED says:
I have owned & loved Harleys for 35 yrs I currently own 7 of them! If the American Icon sells out to Honda it will be a sad day for America not to be able to produce a motorcycle that has been around 104 yrs!!! I would never buy one! Honda makes a good product But it will never be as cool as a Harley or have the resale value!!!!
July 11, 2007 at 11:06 am(17) Ric Taylor says:
Greetings. Thank you for your fine informative service! What All the manufacturers need to do is look to the future, with regards to technology, fuel comsumption, efficiency etc. As far as a merger, well, that’s for the “BigWigs” to decide. The employees hold stock in H-D though, so they need some say in it. Whatever the outcome, Safe and Happy Riding to All!
GODSPEED! GOD Bless!
July 11, 2007 at 11:07 am(18) Smitty says:
As a Harley owner , all I can do Is pray ” No , No , No, No, Never , GOD Please Don’t Let It Happen . Amen “
July 11, 2007 at 11:07 am(19) Lewis E. Brooks says:
I do not,have not,will never own a Harley. BUT I LOVE THEM. I look forward to the anual HD memorial parade in Washington, DC.I would like to see HD use a little more imagination to capture the younger bikers,also create a stylish scooter and I will change my mind about owning a bike.HD is an American Icon that make all Americans proud.
July 11, 2007 at 11:08 am(20) HDisDesperated says:
hahaha…Honda would be really really Stupid to buy something that breaks every other block or so and cost twice as much. American Icon my A$$…screw that $h!t. First, there were rumors about HD & Ducati, now Honda? What’s next Ferrari/Lambo? hahaha wadda joke!!! why don’t they make more reliable bikes so people like me would actually buy one. Oh wait…that would make sense.
July 11, 2007 at 11:08 am(21) DHJ says:
Hey, let’s face it ! American automobiles are not the quality or reialbility they used to be and neither is the American motorcycles. Japanese for go! British for show! American for blow! Harley owners…Get over it! It’ll happen….for Harley’s survival!
July 11, 2007 at 11:09 am(22) michelle says:
I’d be sad to see this happen although it is not unexpected, after all doesn’t Japan still own Rockefeller Center?
However, Hondas are easy to work on and they might be able to help HD do that too. Heck, something as basic as taking the battery out is a nightmare on my 06 Sportster. I would welcome my bike being a little more user friendly in the mechanical department, but other that that, I would hate to lose the Harley look or feel.
July 11, 2007 at 11:14 am(23) Pete says:
A “motorcyclists” main concern with bikes they own is reliability. Reagrdless of brand, quality engineering of motorcycles should be tops in everyones list.
July 11, 2007 at 11:20 am(24) Jimmy Page says:
Before you run out and change your tattoo from Harley to Honda, think about it.
Honda, like most companies that are involved in a takeover or merger would likely keep the Harley brand without any association to Honda. Honda would however be collecting the profits…..
July 11, 2007 at 11:26 am(25) Zoom says:
Honda make a great bike! Harley makes a great bike! A lot of what we ride is just personal taste. Personally I ride a Victory and as far as I am concerned it is the best out there. I am sure that most other riders feel the same about their bikes. Harley says that some 2008 models have ABS available and they proudly say Brembo brakes are on their bikes now. Italian made brakes, Japanese forks, and a lot of other parts are made all over the world. American made is no longer American made. I would hate to see Harley go to Honda but dollars talk and the reason Harley is in business in the first place it to make money. I will say that Harley would benefit from Honda mainly in the technology and design area. The problem is so many that buy Harleys want the old look even at the sacifice of better technology. Still buying a bike is a personal preference and gut feeling!
July 11, 2007 at 11:29 am(26) northeastcycle.com says:
im a motorcycle dealer and i think this goes to show all of us what happens in the real world it all comes down to money being a icon does not pay the bills
July 11, 2007 at 11:39 am(27) Floyd says:
As an “Old H-D Rider” all I have to say is, “I hope it never happens”! There is simply nothing lake a Harley!!
July 11, 2007 at 11:42 am(28) Raine Devries says:
As much effort as Willie G and crew put into getting the company bought back from AMF, it would be startling if they sold out to Honda. Should that happen, I for one, will treasure my Dyna Low Rider all the more.
July 11, 2007 at 11:43 am(29) Randy says:
First of all let me qualify myself. I have been in H-D business for almost 28 years and riding motorcycles for 40 years. The merger/ buyout won’t happen!
Harley-Davidson does not need Hondas’s help. They are doing just fine on their own. How many antique Hondas are in museums? Not many most are in scrap yards or recycling centers.How many people have Honda tatoos?I never seen one. Harley-Davidson is building its own museum in Milwaukee for their priceless collection.I owned a new 1975
Honda 750 Supersport. The engine cases had a loose bolt on the front above the oil filter and leaked oil.The rear brake sucked, it squeaked and the disc wore out in about 5000 miles.Don’t tell me about Honda quality.The Harleys of today are almost faultless. Most of the problems are from rider abuse or modifacations that screw them up.IF YOU WANT A COOKIE CUTTER BIKE BUY A HONDA.
O by the way if you need abs on your ride Harley will offer it in 08 on certain models for the weenies. When your on top people are jealous and want you to fail.
July 11, 2007 at 11:51 am(30) William Richards says:
I think if Honda takes over Harley they know doubt will make some improvements but will still keep the basic image. I am sure there main concern is the overall public. Thats how come they are so sucsessfull. The two greatest bikes in the world being on the same team is going to be one of the greatest things that has happened to the motorcycle industry.
July 11, 2007 at 11:52 am(31) Mick says:
NO WAY, America’s genuine made Harley, the life of many in the life style, will step down to rice rocket status. Keep dreaming Honda. Rice Burners are only for those that can’t affort a Harley, even tho most will not admit it. Yadda Yadda, before you comment, remember they run Harleys at the Drags. Nothing like the rumble and roar of a run of Harleys traveling the highway to Sturgis, Laughlin or Hollister. Harleys are America, made by Americans for Americans
July 11, 2007 at 12:01 pm(32) BaghdadJohn says:
The government would have to step in and keep Harley whole as they did before in the auto industry. Anything else would be, well, un-American.
July 11, 2007 at 12:03 pm(33) Chacha-Stroker says:
In a global business frame, it makes a lot of sense, there will be a good sinergy between the companies and they are the biggest in the market that each company dominate.
I do belive they will keep their own identidy and brand for marketing sake,and merge factories and administration and share the best that they have.It’s a donne deal
July 11, 2007 at 12:06 pm(34) Valerie says:
IT WILL NOT HAPPEN, We are already full of Japanese products. HARLEY is an American Dream for most motorcycle riders. I wouldn,t own a Jap Rice Burner. I ride the all American Harley. Let Japan keep Honda and its counter parts.
July 11, 2007 at 12:15 pm(35) ladyrider1456 says:
I’ve owned 5 bikes - 2 Harleys, 2 Hondas, and 1 Suzuki. I LOVE my Honda. The ONLY thing I miss about my Harley(s) is saying I have one. If the companies merged then it would be a fabulous team!
July 11, 2007 at 12:16 pm(36) Knight Watchman says:
It would seem that the logical root of all this hoopla is that Harley is working on a liquid cooled Sportster. The EPA standards are coming down the road at Harley and the development of a liquid cooled V-twin has got to be part of the solution.
Perhaps there might be an exchange of technology.
By the way…how “American” are the Harleys that are made in Brazil???
July 11, 2007 at 12:22 pm(37) Cindy Rhodes says:
I and my husband own a Softail Deluxe and a Road King. I personally would only buy Harley and only buy American made products, I learned on Jap bikes, cause I didn’t want to tip my Harley. I believe we as American’s should stand tall and press on with this attitude that everyone living in this great land should speak English and buy only American. I was at a job for 19 yrs. that had to close due to foriegn trade in the early 90’s, I do realize it is a global economy now, but we must do our part to support our country not all the rest of the world first. I love my Harley and I only hope the stock I own goes up and up and splits again. My husband feels the same way as I do but only with more emphesis on American if you can believe that or not.
GOD BLESS AMERICA
July 11, 2007 at 12:30 pm(38) Sidehack says:
Just think of the possibilities!!!!
American should stay American, but in the AMERICAN way- buisness rules and who ever has enough money will pervail.
Had a harley but got over it.
July 11, 2007 at 12:31 pm(39) bandelero says:
oh man, that would be a BIG improvement for harley. Americans can’t build anything worthwhile, except for levis jeans, which 85% are made outside of the US in sweatshops anyway. Anything would be an inprovement on those oil leaking sorry excuse for a motorcycle, with the exception of the buell, they all could use an improvement. If the rumors are true, Honda should just scrap them all and start from scratch, but they’ll have their work cut out from them. The buell is the only halfway decent bike harley has & they still suck.
July 11, 2007 at 12:34 pm(40) HDisDesperated says:
+1 to # 38. =)
July 11, 2007 at 12:41 pm(41) Dave says:
WOW, Last I heard there were more imported parts on a Harley than on a Honda. So, my guess is it was just a matter of time. I have owned and enjoyed both brands, But as far as reliability, I would trailer the Harley behind the Honda.
July 11, 2007 at 1:00 pm(42) Hugh says:
Honda’s purchase of HD can only improve Harley motorcycles. It may be what saves Harley from disappearing like the Indian did.
July 11, 2007 at 1:29 pm(43) Ron says:
Rumors!!! I ride a Honda Shadow A.C.E. because I am nostalgic with a tight budget. Harley could learn from Honda on how to make a better bike cheaper for the masses. Will the two ever merge? I hope not, but I do hope Harley learns more about repeatability, reliability and lower cost, both initial and ongoing. If they do merge, they will both benefit.
July 11, 2007 at 1:35 pm(44) fred says:
I work at a H.D. dealer and if it said H.D. on the fuel tank I would be happy to own it.
July 11, 2007 at 1:43 pm(45) Mark says:
I have read every post in this lttle thread, and have just about heard form every little angle in this debate.
Folks, I’ll tell ya plain…. NOTHING IN AMERICA IS 100% AMERICAN MADE. PERIOD. We just don’t have the resources to make everything here th way we used to back in the day, or if we do, it’s too expensive to do so. So most parts are outsourced in an attempt to save money.
I love Harleys. I can’t afford one, so I ride a Vulcan Nomad, which is fine for me. I looked at the parts list for my bike, and some parts are made here, and some parts in Japan. Nothing wrong with that, it’s just easier on the proverbial wallet to do so.
Now having said all that, I don’t believe this merger will happen. The employees at the MoCo own most of the stock. They would probably think it an affront to them if the Japanese were to offer to buy the Company, and would turn down any offer, no matter how much money was thrown at them.
July 11, 2007 at 1:46 pm(46) kevan says:
It will beg the question, who won the war?
July 11, 2007 at 2:03 pm(47) HDisDesperated says:
#45 (Mark)
your point is?!?
July 11, 2007 at 2:04 pm(48) HDisDesperated says:
correction
#45 (Kevan) =)
July 11, 2007 at 2:15 pm(49) Robert says:
I worked for a company that was undisputed number one in its field. It was purchased by a giant Japanese company that had tried to make the product we made but failed. They bought our company for the technology. They raped and pillaged the company closed it down. Dust off the Enola Gay. The Japanese will screw this up as they with every American company they have purchased as they will if they acquire HD. Do the research.
July 11, 2007 at 2:37 pm(50) Steve says:
Harley could learn a few things about quality control from Honda. I don’t believe that Harley would go away if acquired by Honda. I do believe that it would get better and bigger.
July 11, 2007 at 2:38 pm(51) james says:
I have owned a HD, that I paid $20,000.00 for new in 1996. I now own a 99 Kawasaki Nomad that I bought this year, and I paid $5000.00 for it. I’ll take the metric dependability any time over what HD. If this merger puts the HD market back down where people like myself who love the looks of the HD, can afford one! Then so be it. There is no reason in this world why HD’s have to be so expensive. The marget needs to calm down, put the HD’s in the metric cruiser price range of $12 to $13,000.00, they will sale that product as fast as they can make it! Putting HD looks with a Honda Engineering technical know how! That’s going to an awsome day, if it ever happens. Most people buy what they can afford.But people will over extend there budgets just to have the HD.
July 11, 2007 at 2:47 pm(52) Matt S. says:
we have become a nation of whores, selling off the country bit by bit…if this merger goes through which I doubt because HD stockholders can be an emotional group, I’ll keep my HD’s but will not by a bike where the net profit goes out of this country (USA)
July 11, 2007 at 2:48 pm(53) M says:
honda-davidson oh my !
July 11, 2007 at 3:01 pm(54) Matt S. says:
and to you commenters out there that say HD is too expensive, I like the fact that you have to need to work extra hard to own one…that’s also part of the pride in ownership…HD has many imported parts, it’s true, but the profit from the sales of HD motorcycles stay here, and I feel good about that, too.
July 11, 2007 at 3:05 pm(55) John says:
I live in a city where the HARLEY is KING. I ride a SUZIKI INTRUDER thats been customized and blows away most HARLEY’S. Those wonderful HARLEY’S have probably a s*** load of CHINA made parts on them. Go to any Harley Dealership and check out the parts for sale with the H-D Logo it says made in CHINA. I say let HONDA have the company. Some of my friends ride Harley’s and when we get ready to ride ,I tell them go see if that HARLEY will start before I show up. I know my JAP bike will. Peace.
July 11, 2007 at 3:17 pm(56) Ray says:
Maybe Harley’s would not have to mark there spots any more. It’s bad enough the dogs leave yellow dead grass but oil spots everywhere they park is obscured with today’s technology. I have driven Honda’s since high school and never had to dismantle them yearly to fix everything. Even my high school Honda 650 is still running strong.
July 11, 2007 at 3:26 pm(57) Stuart says:
Heh Heh Heh, at least if this rumor is true H-D won’t be owned by communist CHINA. At least Japan is an ally and part of NATO after “the War” (uh, 60+ years ago?). So next time you nice, patriotic, well-meaning Harley folks get home from Wal-Mart, read your product labels. About the only thing American will be the U.S. flag you bought (hopefully) and the plastic bag your stuff is in. The “American Iron” H-D image is all a thinly-veneered, finely crafted marketing image. Yes, the H-D American (thump chest) Bike image will pass away along with it’s shrinking list of U.S. parts suppliers. Anybody know of a 100% American bike which can compete in quality/price/technology with the other non-U.S. players? I don’t think so.
July 11, 2007 at 3:34 pm(58) Deano911 says:
Not sure what the fuss is all about. I think and hope things stay as they are. We ride what we ride because we love to ride. To me, not much else enters into the picture. I have owned Kawasaki and Yamaha, and have many friends who own HD’s. We all talk about our rides, add stuff, take off stuff, shine, whine, compliment, and harass. Bottom line, we all love to ride. The only thing that matters. Not the bike, not the status symbol. Just that we all love to ride, and love what we ride. Am I wrong?? Be safe, watch out when out, and, if you get a wave from a fellow rider, wave back.
July 11, 2007 at 3:35 pm(59) Tango says:
I own a large amount of stock in H-D. If this happened I would be angry & upset over the deal. I ride Harley’s for many, many reasons and one of them is because it’s OWED BY AMERICANS AND AMERICAN MADE! This would make all of us keep our current bikes forever and/or go custom. If Honda merged with Honda, it would be the ultimate insult. I don’t buy foreign cars and I don’t buy foreign bikes…
July 11, 2007 at 3:47 pm(60) Lew says:
I too agree that this merger will probably never happen. To #28(Randy), as a HD dealer your response is expected. Compare your ‘75 CB750 to ‘75HD, Honda was and IS better made.I have an 1988 Yamaha Venture Royale that is totally original as to NO repairs with exception of routine maintenence.(brake pads,filters).I have ridden many different makes and models as well as owned. I was looking for a new ride and was considering an HD Road Glide. I rented one for three(3) days and rode with my brother(’05 Fatboy) around NY area. What a disappointment HD offers for $18000.00. They need to update their technology and reliability. When a dealer informs a customer that they abuse their bike or are weenies to justify non warranty work as many have stated,maybe future customers should take that into account on future purchases.
PS.HD inability to meet future US emission standards probably has looking for a merger.
Ride Safe whatever you ride
July 11, 2007 at 3:54 pm(61) Chieftf says:
I would like to see Harley-Davidson and Honda work together on a new line of motorcycles, using combined technology to make a new line of motorcycles, but keep what they already have also.
July 11, 2007 at 3:55 pm(62) Larry says:
I doubt that it will happen, but if itdoes, I think that Honda woudl keep the Harley looking like it does,but improve onthe quality. I prefer my 06 Goldwing anyway.:-)
July 11, 2007 at 4:00 pm(63) vegasvfr says:
while it would be nice to get the upgrade in technology and reliability that honda will bring to the table, ie i love my honda VFR, harley is a USA icon and lifestyle. The merger would be good for the quality of the brand, but not the soul of the brand. Harley Drivers would never buy a new Harley if it was made by Honda…You dont see people at bars with honda attire on them.
July 11, 2007 at 4:02 pm(64) Bob says:
I love the Harley and always will. If it happens, which i’m just about sure want , then hail to the Chief [INDIAN ] MADE IN THE U.S.A…
July 11, 2007 at 4:05 pm(65) Memphis Fats says:
I don’t really care whether Honda buys HD or not. If they do, they aren’t stupid enough to mess with an American Icon (deserved or not). HD’s have a higher resale value now–because they are expensive in the first place. The old classics will hold their value, but newer HD’s may cost less with a merger, and resale would be just like any others. I bought a Honda because I couldn’t justify (didn’t say afford) paying so much more for some chromed steel and a HD badge, when I could buy a VTX with more power, more reliability and chromed plastic. Harleys will still be Harleys, but maybe better ones. The profits for Honda sales are smaller and keep a lot of American dealers in business, just like Harleys–whose profits go to Harley, not to me.
I admire Harley owners, at least the ones who don’t take food out their kids’ mouths for their HD payments. Nothing significant will change.
July 11, 2007 at 4:07 pm(66) All for it ! says:
It would be nice to see HD putting out a reliable product with some help from Honda. It’s been the only thing holding me back from buying one. Money isnt the issue..could buy two if I wanted to. It’s always been a reliability issue for me. Oh yeah quote “remember they run Harleys at the drags” …gotta remember whos beating those Harleys. I think that would be Yamaha.
July 11, 2007 at 4:28 pm(67) joe says:
Alright so some think Honda some think harley..let the two never meet.
July 11, 2007 at 4:54 pm(68) G Money says:
Love my Harley - just as i loved the one before it and before it. I would hope that there is no merger but change generally happens for the best in the long run. To Whale - you’re an idiot and you know it!
July 11, 2007 at 6:01 pm(69) gene summers says:
i hope it happens,it would make my day,ive ridin harleys an now own a yamaha roadstar,cant believe the way people have turned on me,oh well.over priced,over rated,an just not a better bike,oh yea,AMERICAN BIKE,BETTER CHECK AGAIN,SANDMAN
July 11, 2007 at 6:38 pm(70) Ron Howard says:
I think a lot of comments here have missed the boat. Its not about cost, horsepower, reliability or even bikes…its about tradition . As we all know the first bike HD built was in 1903 and we have seen the company go from good to bad to worse and back to good again, now we have a rumor that Honda has offered to buy HD, and this could happen. I know about Honda, I was here when Honda offered their first bike to John Q Public of the United States and I myself have owned a few, however I never got the feeling from riding a Honda as I do when on my Harley. I hope this is just that, a rumor, for if it is not, and being the military veteran that I am. I am sure all of the American fleet that is at the bottom of Pearl Harbor will roll over and float to the surface as we stand aside and watch another “American Tradition go down the tubes“.
July 11, 2007 at 7:41 pm(71) harvey says:
it is true that honda makes some good bikes,but harley also makes some fine bikes. i own an ualtra gilde with over 89,000 miles and it is only six years old. sure hate to see honda buy out harley. remember what happened to harly when amf owned them. and maybe some of you red blood americans should remember where you live. harvey
July 11, 2007 at 8:13 pm(72) steve says:
i guess no one really remembers when Harley was actually owned by a english company..i use to work for Indian Motorcycles and i have seen the service side of harley and most american bikes, they are bad. i own a honda and love it. most think it is s harley just without the cost of a house..so who cares who owns the company really..
July 11, 2007 at 8:23 pm(73) big sam says:
bull crap honda and harley different as night and day if the jap crap is so good why is a 65 model supperhawk worth 1500 dollars why is there no 60s and 70s jap junk on the road? cause it all broke down and rusted away! for the sake of all american mankind lets hope harley does not sell out or merge with anybody harley must be better cause all of the jap junkers have tried to imitate and copy harley davidson
July 11, 2007 at 8:37 pm(74) Bob says:
The “no comment” bothers me, or that just a ploy to get attention. If push comes to shove, perhaps HD employees need to take pay cuts to keep HD American. I’m not a union guy and lost my job so others could keep working rather than closing the branch. Hey, my dad was in a union back in Cleveland, so do even go there with that thought that’s on your mind. Smaller paychecks are better than no paycheck.
July 11, 2007 at 8:52 pm(75) Bobby says:
For all the hardcases that accuse the Metrics of copying HD, if you researched the history of m/c, you might be amazed to learn that the V-twin engine and peanut tank were introduced into the USA not by HD, but by Indian. So can it be acknowledged that the “clone” V-twins are really copying Indian?
July 11, 2007 at 10:32 pm(76) Jim O says:
I’ve been on an Ultra, I have a Gold Wing.. To each his own, they’re both good bikes. My wing is made here, with parts from both countries.. Harley’s are made here, with parts from all over the world!!
July 11, 2007 at 11:50 pm(77) DECIO-BRASIL says:
Hello fm Brazil Again
2ND COMMENT, I’m nbr 12 above.
Replying to 36 Knight Watchman…Harleys are not made here, they are imported to Manaus the capital of Amazon state (the forest) where it is nationalized/authorized to enter the country without big taxes like Honda…the quality is the same I assume as yr american made, Also I agree with comment nbr 49 and for me comment 64 too strong..
They (Honda) have a big one here 1800 cc, but it is almost 40 % more expensive than the Glide Classic, if in case Honda intends to acquire HD for sure they don’t intend and it is not possible to reduce costs, unfortunatelly HD is more expensive because it takes lots of valued items, usually who acquires a HD has a little capital saved or boomers for example, though in diiferent countries I’m a boomer too, 46 yrs, and it is what we see here people my age or over buying HD.
My pleasure is riding my Harley Davidson on a nice road by the sea,watching the waves, and wherever you go or when you stop by a traffic light you’re the sensation, EVERYONE WANTS TO BE YOU OR DOING WHAT YOU ARE DOING…ENJOYING LIFE…
REGARDS TO ALL AND SAFE RIDE..
DECIO/BRAZIL
July 12, 2007 at 12:54 am(78) J Henry says:
For a change, I trust that the stockholdeers, myself included, will opt for keeping Harley Davidson an American company. We have abdicated our manufacturing role and lost a million jobs, for what? Some more profit for the stockholders, but look how our country has suffered. So many industries: textiles, electronics, now even plywood comes from afar, I can tell the difference: it is NOT necessarily better.
My Harley has 25,000 miles and the only part that ever failed was a rear tire, thanks to an errant nail in the roadway.
Keep Harley Davidson American, buy American whenever you can. Stand up for your country every chance you have. God Bless America.
July 12, 2007 at 1:04 am(79) Luciper says:
Aww come on! A change of management doesn’t mean a change of product. Obviously, HD is very successful in their marketing strategy for making their bikes an american icon. People are sold to the idea of everything made in the USA is the best, that is why no matter how bad the engineering is, people still buy it because of it’s “hyped” reputation. The American tradition is just an excuse, the real reason why they buy it is because of the bragging rights.
July 12, 2007 at 2:29 am(80) Rudolph.a.Furtado says:
“Harley Davidson” is an Institution by itself as is “Honda”. Todays World is pure “ECONOMICS” and hence anything is possible and nothing sacrosanct.
July 12, 2007 at 4:10 am(81) gadget says:
if that happened i do not think that it would be good, we buy HD because of the old style look and feel, i still have my ‘96′model HD but i have left the motor stock and i havent had to change anything on it except tyres, brake pads, clutch cables the usuall comsumables ive owned hondas as well, but the feel is still different i ride a yamaha to work since its cheaper to buy a black marker for paint chips hehe, but when i ride i take the HD but just remember at the moment this topic is all speculation anyway
July 12, 2007 at 6:07 am(82) Amy says:
I rented several different harleys and rode each one over 1000 miles trying to decide which one was right for me. I’d always owned Yamaha’s before my son was born and now that he’s grown and gone it was time to get back on and ride a bike that more suited my HD personality.
Then a co-worker talked me into riding the VTX1800. OMFW! THAT is a bike! I have rumble (V&H pipes) and power (1795cc plus a power commander, fuel map and air mods)and have ridden 800 miles in a day then got off to go dancing. Try that on a Harley!
I think it would be a shame for Honda to take over Harley. I’d hate to be associated with the some of the ego’s of the Harley owners. I bought my bike to ride - not to brag about. If I want to brag, I’ll talk about my son serving in the US Navy Submarine Fleet.
July 12, 2007 at 6:23 am(83) Kevin says:
What’s wrong with bragging rights? “Harley Davidson” is an Icon that Americans and foreigners appreciate. Pride in ownership goes a long way and the extra cost incurred is realized by Harley owners in general. I think we all should be realists and recognize that “everything” is for sale these days…. Heaven forbid rooting on the Tokyo Broncos or the Beijing Cowboys come September…haha.
July 12, 2007 at 9:31 am(84) Gator says:
It won’t happen. The global market ‘might’ expand, but the domestic one would be devastated. Take all your technology and your newfangled stuff and shove it. If I want a friggin’ space rocket, I’d save up and buy one. I ride Harley Davidson for it’s ‘feel’, it’s ‘look’, it’s ’sound’, and it’s ’soul’.
It is an American Icon. A lifestyle. An attitude.
Who care’s where some of the parts are made. It’s only that way because the company has to compete, while trying to maintain it’s foundational strengths. Our very fiber is being sold out daily, which is what makes it so hard to compete globally.
“When the peel the handgrips from my cold dead fingers”
July 12, 2007 at 9:34 am(85) DECIO-BRASIL says:
The consideration of some comments is re bragging or not bragging,HD IS FOR MOTORCYCLES AS WELL MERCEDES BENZ IS FOR AUTOMOBILES.
Safe Ride
Decio/Brazil
July 12, 2007 at 9:45 am(86) ed says:
After reading all these responses, I guess I agree it would be GREAT if Honda bought HD. Then the value of my 99′ RC would double as no one would want the new plastic versions from Honda. When I get really old, I could sell it to pay for my contaminated import medications from China.
July 12, 2007 at 10:46 am(87) Luciper says:
What’s wrong with bragging rights? Simple, it gives some HD owners their egoistic mentality which make them descriminate metric bikes.
Like I said, if Honda buys out, nothing should change, HD will still be HD and will still be made in america since it is assembled in the US. The all american pride “BS” is just a state of mind that people here rant about.
As for “HD IS FOR MOTORCYCLES” that’s true! You know why there is no Harley Car? Because they can’t even perfect their motorcycles, how can you expect them to build a car?
If the buy out happens, live with it. Harley motorcycles are not 100% American since some of its parts are made from countries in asia yet you still buy it and don’t care about the asian parts that are attached to your HD, so why rant about the buy out? It’s not like the asian management is going to be your passenger.
July 12, 2007 at 12:15 pm(88) Larry says:
I own a Honda ACE and had owned a Harley Sporty, my girlfriend owns a Harley Sporty Custom.One gues which bike is more reliable. And my ACE was madin in America.One other American company owned Harley before, remmember AMF.Honda is the most dependable ,comfortable ride I have been on. That being said, it would be kinda sad to see an American icon become a Japanese company. Now if the Japanese bulit the Harleys here like they do a lot of Hondas, that may not be so bad. The only downside is Honda would virtually own thw motorcycle market and that sweet VTX would probably not be such a good bargain anymore.
July 12, 2007 at 1:03 pm(89) Peter says:
As a Harley Shareholder here in the Uk, being an ex Honda rider 3 times I say Harley should stay American. I have NO intention of selling my shares, I collect the 18c per share dividend each quarter and am proud to be a Harley Shareholder, will soon be ordering my 08 Harley when released.
July 12, 2007 at 2:25 pm(90) Rod says:
You meet the nicest people on a Honda. Maybe that’ll carry over to the Harley’s now:)
July 12, 2007 at 4:17 pm(91) Justin says:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!
July 12, 2007 at 7:33 pm(92) Wild Bill says:
Man-o-Man the mentality of some people on here is simply amazing. I own a 85 H-D lowrider & a 97 H-D Heritage Classic.The only time either of those bikes has left a oil spot is when I’ve spilled it. It aint the 70s no more folks.I’ve got over 80,000 mi. on the Heritage & aint done nothing but change oil & tires !!!!!
July 12, 2007 at 8:45 pm(93) big T says:
back in the 80’s i had a friend that told me honda had bought some of harley then. if remember it was like 51 % of the company. i know the harley riders get sick when they hear it, stop and think harley went to an all aluminum engine, and honda went to a v-twin with no law suits between them…..
July 12, 2007 at 8:51 pm(94) Dave says:
I think we should be thinking about the fact that almost all we as “Americans” have is our flag which, many states are passing laws, that only those made in America may be displayed! Think about that as the trade deficit dictates what Our Country dictates and how it happens. Its called, “Trade Deficit!”
Its sad to think that another American Company might be poised for takeover however, economics run the world and many parts on HD have been made outside of the US for years, always have. Did HD ever make a carburetor?? Sad but true, along with the American Unions that supposedly support Americans, how many Japanese cars are driven by them, none of it helps. Sorry, its just my point of view.
July 12, 2007 at 10:00 pm(95) maurice moriarty says:
i own 2 harleys. if that happened i would build my own or go to small american producers no hondas for me.
MAURY
July 13, 2007 at 12:19 am(96) luciper says:
Again! don’t let that ” HD all american state of mind consume you, if you want an all american motorcycle, don’t buy a Harley, build the motorcycle yourselves from the ground up. Then again, you will be forced to get some parts outside the US, hehehe!
I have an ‘04 Roadking, I bought it because I like the look of it that’s all, it’s not about the all american bullcrap. I also have a Yamaha royal venture, I like it, I love it and I’m not trading it. I bet if the HD’s are a cheap and not good looking bikes but an all American motorcycle down to the nuts and bolts, you guys will never buy it.
The point is, motorcyles are not about the pride of having a Harley as your ultimate goal. Motorcycles are about riding, it’s about freedom. You need to free yourselves from being imprisoned in that bullcrap idea, then, that’s not riding, that’s what you call dreaming.
July 13, 2007 at 2:32 am(97) tom russell says:
Who cares? It’s business and would be great for all Harley riders! Even better for all Goldwing riders!! Can’t wait for it to happen.
July 13, 2007 at 3:17 am(98) Leo says:
Oh Lordee, the idea sucks….
July 13, 2007 at 6:41 am(99) Rodhog says:
I’m just wondering what I’ll have to do with the Harley logo tattoo that I have on my shoulder???? Rodhog. Port St. Joe, Florida
July 13, 2007 at 9:34 am(100) gene says:
why would honda want to lower it self to harley
July 13, 2007 at 3:04 pm(101) Mac Chandler says:
Harley makes a MUCH more reliable bike than they did a few years back, But I prefer to build and ride the OLD stuff(before the parts came from Japan and other places) My current project is a 1942 45 that has belt drive pri and secondary, reverse (with a foot shift and Hyd clutch) the battery is in the old seat post tube, however - I wasn’t thinking and put a 2995 sporty front end and rear wheel on the bike (I’ll likely change that) but I do like to do custom builds by useing ALL Harley parts which I modify to fit my style and function .
As far as the merger is concirned — I think There should be laws to keep foreign owners from owning any major companys in the US. STOP selling and GIVING this country to foreign people.
I have a real estate listing(2 mill) to sell my land - but it states in the contract that NO person or compant may purchase unless they are American Citizens
July 13, 2007 at 4:02 pm(102) Gale Benton says:
Honda needs to buy Harley–Harley is over priced and over rated–they still make junk–I will never own one again. They need to go the way of the English Bikes. Buell is the only bright spot of Harley–They know what is in the future, and I don`t like sport bikes. If it wasn`t for the japanese, we would still be driving autos that would only be good for 60,000, miles. Harley has a lot of models and they are all the same. I don`t believe Honda would go so low to buy Harley
July 13, 2007 at 8:36 pm(103) FrogHopper says:
What a deal that would be! If Honda made a plane and Harley made a plane, which one would you fly in? Duh
July 14, 2007 at 12:48 pm(104) ExcitableBoy says:
If I have to explain it…you wouldnt understand!!
I LOVE MY country
July 14, 2007 at 2:33 pm(105) All American Badass says:
Harley could keep on truckin all on their own accord. Sales are up and the industry for the bikes are fueled by the war. Most of my military buddies are getting a bike when they get back from the war, and you can guess what they are going to buy…. yup Harley Davidson, they dont care what the cost, they dont care what people say about their technology as far as they are concerned it is the status. This is my country, this is my harley, it is the all american dream of owning a house a harley and your two favorite cars, oh and maybe a boat and a few skidews. Honda is more of a choice if you are going to use it to ride every day, get it scratched up and wear it out. Harley is a prized possesion, thank god that most people cant afford one or they would treat them like a honda. The three best bikes in the world however dont include a honda. Honda may take the cake in reliability and the technology of plastic, however the best rides in motercycles for durability and control are Harley BMW and ducati, the third I put in there for all the sports bikes weenees. Ive ridden sportsbikes, and Ive ridden cruisers, as far as the feel and comfort you get from a BMW it is unsurpassed, no wonder all the motorcycle cops are getting them where I live. Potholes and bumps everywhere, you need that type of comfort. Harley however is still the best ride out there, especially for us fat guys. If I still rode a honda I would blow another piston trying to hall my fat behind, there is no substitute for the horsepower you get on a harley. been through three rice burners but the harley is still kickin. Although I wouldnt mind getting a BMW.
July 14, 2007 at 3:22 pm(106) All American Badass says:
Oh and as far as the american vs. japanese industy goes, my Dodge has 460,000 miles on it and is still running smooth and still has all its power, not the nicest looking paint job but think about how you will look after 25 years. I junked my honda at 270,000 miles, it was only 7 years old. I believe in its current condition if I decided to not do mainenance my dodge would probobly go another 70,000 miles. And the only harleys Ive seen tat leave a oil spot are the ones that are 10 or more years old.
July 15, 2007 at 10:34 am(107) Dawn says:
Ever hear of the Victory Motorcycle made by Polaris?
100% American Made and rumble like a Harley but blow one right off the road with power and speed. It’s like a custom motorcycle right out of the Factory.
We are Harley owners and collect them, but also own a Victory, what we ride!!!
Hardly Honda is funny but a merger….
I doubt it!!!
July 15, 2007 at 4:09 pm(108) rc says:
Can’t wait to see a 4 cyclinder Harley davidson.
rc
July 15, 2007 at 8:15 pm(109) dan foster says:
That would be the best thing to happen to Harley at least now they would get the power to weight ratio right.
July 16, 2007 at 8:44 am(110) Nancy says:
That idea would be crazy for BOTH company’s. People would almost stop buying Harley’s afraid parts etc would be Honda Not harley
July 16, 2007 at 2:26 pm(111) Petr says:
The comments abbout Jap Crap and Rice Burners are hilarious. If those morons had any idea what they were talking about they might realize that the last thing Honda wants is to have an albatross like H-D around their necks! Look how desperate MB was to unload Chrysler!! Look what happened to H-D in the early 80’s…Reagan had to embargo all other brands over 700CC to bail them out.
USA made (and that’s a misnomer these days)simply means poor quality. Why do you think Toyota is now the biggest car company in the world? …. Quality. Nothing underhanded…no magic…no secret formulas….just simple quality. Japanese motorcycles (check and see how few are still Japan made) are better built on a bad day than the best H-D ever made.
Tradition? Get over it….tradition isn’t worth a damn if it won’t run 1000 miles and stay out of the shop.
July 16, 2007 at 2:33 pm(112) Carol says:
WOW!!! Just think…now EVERYONE will give the biker wave!!! Awesome….Yah…right…never happen with you know who……..but one can hope…
July 16, 2007 at 2:38 pm(113) Carol says:
To # 100. You must be selling for sale by owner because no reputable agent would take that listing…ever hear of discrimination? Regardless of race, color, creed??????? Better your license than theirs……nuff said…
July 16, 2007 at 3:54 pm(114) Kathy says:
It would be a sad day in my book to see the two merge. HD is an American Icon bar nothing. Honda does have a good product, but that isn’t necessarily what this is all about.
So what if Honda has speed etc, etc. Harley is about the ride, nostalgia and all. HD’s bikes are beautiful, let’s keep it that way.
July 16, 2007 at 4:36 pm(115) Big Chief says:
First off it doesn’t matter what any of us think but we can all agree that motorcycles have come a long ways in todays modern era and Harley making the most stides. What is the difference if this bike is made in the US by someone of Asian decent or Asia by a Caucasian. My only concern is that these bikes we purchase today and in the future maintain there style and dependability in the years to come. For those who will never be able to stomach this possible transaction, well I can only say!!! buy something either pre> transition time or make your own US bike from parts you buy from JP, Zoom or even Drag Specialties; Oh you might want to make sure all the parts are US made. Good Luck
July 16, 2007 at 8:47 pm(116) Max says:
Here at http://www.fireblades.org I think the members would go into shock. We ran a scooter v harley poll and results were not good for the Harley..
July 16, 2007 at 11:19 pm(117) Ant says:
But what would the “Bruthas” ride?? I guess they’d be queueing up to buy Triumph Rocket 3’s……..
July 17, 2007 at 4:14 pm(118) mike says:
Maybe it would stop the shakes. I know many harley guys that this would be a good thing for - might bring em down a notch.
July 17, 2007 at 4:49 pm(119) bas ill. says:
the merger will probably nvr happen but if it did hd would benefit sure their bikes are cool but dependable is something else everytime i see a bike broke down on the road its a hd i have a honda vtx awesome bike dependable and a lot of bike for the $ my son is on his 2nd hd a lot of quality control problems lil things that should be
July 18, 2007 at 3:33 am(120) sunsett says:
American icon , my a$$. leaking, vibrating, unuser friendly piece of american junk. Just take a look at your president, now that’s an american icon. Damn gung-ho idiots who zoned into HD’s marketing department crap, get a life! I’ll stop buying hondas if the merger goes thru.
July 18, 2007 at 12:58 pm(121) BP says:
I have a 1997 Honda Shadow Spirit with 56,000 miles on it. Can HD say that? I’m still waiting for a light bulb to burn out. Never had a problem……can HD say that? I think the Japanese could teach HD a few things about making bikes.
July 18, 2007 at 1:01 pm(122) Big Chief says:
It seems to me a lot of Metric riders are very bitter of AMERICAN bikes because they look more aesthete to the eye of the major US population and that would cause anyone to backlash. Also its a bunch of poppycock on how HD are found brokedown on the side of the road and reported everytime metric owners go on there Sunday ride with the sun out. Don’t think for a minute that the biking population hasn’t seen the fair share of metrics brokedown, if you haven’t you either don’t ride enough or your still nursing. Nothing is maintenance free so maybe what we see on the side of the road are issues created by the rider himself instead of the manufacture. You know the guy that doesn’t know a thing about mechanics or even how to change his on oil, then couldn’t afford to have it done and rides anyway. Actually Honda’s are more forgiving that way which helps me understand why the younger riders prefer metric and talk down AMERICAN IRON.
July 18, 2007 at 1:37 pm(123) bus freak says:
I own 2 Harleys and a Honda VFR both are great brands to me. The Harleys just have a soul to them. One of my Harleys is a 42 wla that was in the war in europe. When I got it, it had bullet holes in the tanks and was beat all to hell. I restored it back to how it was new and spent 18 grand to do it. How many Hondas, have that kind of history. Thats why Harleys commercials say If I have to explain it…you wouldnt understand!!
July 18, 2007 at 1:46 pm(124) RL says:
#120
Buy a Cycle Trader, you’ll find them there.. but congratulations on your Spirit, they are good bikes!
July 18, 2007 at 8:31 pm(125) Loy Cox says:
this has got to be bulls***!! if i wanted a jap bike i’d buy one. if this turned out true, my riding days would probably be over!!
July 19, 2007 at 2:43 pm(126) BB says:
New for Harley Davidson in 2010. Is it a Pan or Knuckle head? Nope, is it a Shovel or the Block head. Oh no, it’s the all new Liquid Cooled Zipper Head.
Say it isn’t so..
July 19, 2007 at 6:05 pm(127) truxton says:
Willie G. Rideing a Honda Gold Wing with a FAT retirement check into the riseing sun. Hope i don’t see it.
July 20, 2007 at 9:10 pm(128) Tom Bolster says:
To the people, I hate to use the term Americans, who brag on honda and trash Harley, go live in japan, that’s where you belong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 22, 2007 at 4:13 am(129) Greg says:
As a current owner of a Honda VTX 1800 Retro, I’m not so sure I would like the idea. Although I currently modified my “X” with an older set of Harley FLH Hardbags and a Tour pack(Something Honda should have done!). I do get the thumbs up from both crowds. I could have purchased the Harley RoadGlide or Ultra, I didn’t really feel like dropping that much $ on something so unreliable and poorly engineered.As far as a bang for the buck, The Honda wins everyday all day! Yeah it may not be a “Harley” but that stigma is usually given by the wanna bee bikers and posers anyway. It doesn’t matter what you ride, just that you ride!
Oh yeah! The VTX is an American made bike, made in Marysville Ohio right next to the Goldwings!
Who knows, maybe if they did merge, Harleys reliability would probably jump up drasticly!
July 23, 2007 at 1:21 pm(130) Image is the key....... says:
Hey folks…Harley’s success has always been it’s image and their marketing people have played that to the max! Look at what they sell in the way of apparel and anything that bears an HD logo. Even if Honda did take over, do you think they’d mess with that kind of brand loyalty? Folks, Harleys aren’t going away.
July 26, 2007 at 1:09 am(131) Tom says:
What… is someone smoking crack? Being a stockholder since 1987, there hasn’t been any mention of a sale. This company is one of America’s success stories. Why in the world would they sell an icon that makes as much money as it does? I don’t see it, but hey, it’s a great rumor.
July 27, 2007 at 3:58 pm(132) Dan says:
Buy a new Honda v-twin , $12,000, and ride it off the lot for 2 miles. Value $10,000. Buy a new or used Harley off the lot, $12,000, and ride it for 2 miles. Value is still $12,000. A year later, the Honda’s worth $6000. The Harley after a year is worth $15,000 after performance and cosmetic add ons.
Don’t get me wrong, Honda makes a damn good ATV or dirt bike and a dependable street bike. However, Harley’s machines are just as reliable today and have been over the past 25 years since AMF. Hell, the AMF years bring money as collector pieces and can be re-built better than new. Find a mint 60’s Honda Super Hawk on E-bay for no more than $1500.
Count the Harley’s versus Jap bikes you pass when you are out for a ride. Probably 3:1. Harley doesn’t need Honda. Honda probably doesn’t need Harley either.
July 31, 2007 at 10:25 am(133) dagazelle says:
Harley sells an image,which a lot of people buy into and thanks to that type of mind set have done more to slow the development of more modern bikes than they have done to develope anything new.When they did make an attempt to come up with something better they went to the GERMANS a.k.a. v-rod.Who knows what kind of bikes we would be riding today if the japanese hadn’t spent all that time and money developing v-twin cruisers.Vtwins might be cool but the truth is it’s one of the most outdated engines made.Hey a flat head ford is cool but i wouldn’t want one to drive 30K a year.A 55 chevy is cool but I’d rather have a new corvette.As far as where it’s made, I don’t care if it’s made in my back yard if I don’t like it I won’t buy it,regardless of what image it projects and what other riders think.If biking is a hobby anything will do,if you actually ride a bike instead of hauling it around on a trailer or doing the weekend jaunt to meet with your buddies and brag about how great your bike is your opinion would change pretty quick. (guess while basking in all your patriotic B.S. nobody’s noticed HD is opening a factory in china.)
August 3, 2007 at 11:09 am(134) keith says:
honda may be assembled in ohio but the money still goes over sees to another country….people who buy japan should move to japan…thats what is wrong with our country…nobody has any pride for america and what our grandparents gave us…..would you have seen a ww2 vet on a goldwing in the 1950s hell no
August 5, 2007 at 9:01 pm(135) DECIO-BRASIL says:
comment 130 to be noted..
the other day i’ve seen on the dow jones closing stock rigging the bells a team of HOG, then I remembered this history of buying-sale, what meant that appearance at Wall Street? to clear this history selling or to say that Harley is going public? if so..then a big Group can buy the majority of shares, somebody up north, pls explain….
Rgds
Decio/Brazil
January 9, 2008 at 5:08 pm(136) Eli Garcia says:
Harley Davidson has been a strong force in the motorcycle industry since it’s debut in 1903. A company that has inspired and paved the way for Japanese motor companys to join the “bandwagon”.But while some will say Harley is the best for whatever reason, it fails in comparison with the advancements of the likes of Honda or any other Japanese company.Even British bikes like Triumph have a stanglehold on Harley.Flatheads,Knuckleheads,Panheads,Evolution,Twincams I’ve seen it all but to say that two huge companies would ever merge would be insane.Both companies are to big and doing well on their own to ever merge.All we can do is choose one over the other.One represents nostalgia good looks and “Real American Pride”,the other represents long lasting, good looking dependable reliability + a great price tag.Which would you choose?
January 16, 2008 at 9:59 am(137) slickrick says:
Harleys are assembeld of imported parts in Milwaukee Wisconsin, Honda Shadows are assembled in MArysville, Ohio of imported parts. Which one is more American made? Are Wisconsonians more American than Ohioans? BTW, The forks on the Harley, mfg. by Honda, The Carbs, manufacured by the same Japanese Company that manufacutres carbs for Hondas.
March 28, 2008 at 6:45 pm(138) Jack Lubin (known in cal. and fla as "mad jack" says:
Harley has already sold out to some degree, but all you jap loving bastards ought to remember the Bataan Death March
April 22, 2008 at 12:34 pm(139) bob says:
i have been riding for over 50 yrs. i have ridden almost every make of bike out there. i started on a cushman at age 10 and i will finish on my Harley. i have owned 4 Harley’s, and chopped 2 of them. when my wife bought me my Sporty 7 yrs. ago i got off of my prozak and now i have my ultra classic/geezer glide and i love it. BUT if Harley and honda merged i would never buy one of their bikes again!!!! Harley’s rule, and it is not just the mystique but the sound,and the feel of it when going down the road. it’s the people you meet and not just Harley owners, but the people that don’t even ride that come up to you and want to talk to you about your Harley. they want to know everything about it. and they want to hear that magical sound.to sum it up, owning a Harley and riding it is like nothing else in the world.
April 23, 2008 at 5:00 pm(140) Big Dog! says:
Ain’t no big thing. Over the years I have owned them all with Honda being my favorite. I had to wait until my last of three children flew the coupe before I felt I could afford my HD. In the late 80’s HD fixed the mechanical problems with their bikes. Now they need to address customer relations between their customers and their dealers.
April 24, 2008 at 8:14 am(141) Carlos says:
It is an ” Icon “, but walk into a Dealership, and they act like they are you doing you a favor for selling you a bike above MSRP. The Ceo should have seen it coming. Accessories/Clothes have been returning higher profits than their bikes, while both have had a greater share of overseas manufacturing, and Engineering.
Look at the used market. To buy my Icon, it will have to be older than me.
July 6, 2008 at 10:46 pm(142) Pete says:
First of all, you guys are bozos…
Honda actually makes the better quality bike and that’s all there is too it…
second, Honda would never mess with the Harley Brand by combining the bike divisions… It just wouldn’t happen, you don’t buy Jeep, Harley or Hummer to turn them into products you already own…
The only thing that would change in Harley is that they would get Japanese QC and that would be huge for Harley Owners because their bikes would now become more reliable.
Of course Honda may step up the implementation of newer technology in Harley’s product line and that can’t be bad for Harley at all.
Ultimately, it wouldn’t be a bad thing from a bike quality point but watching another American Company get bought out would just be a very sad thing.
July 8, 2008 at 2:26 pm(143) jon says:
Well I can see that there are a lot of people that have no idea what they are tlking about! Harley American made…LOL Ya right thats why the engine is made out side the U.S. now and every thing eles is made in china…lol…While Honda is made in Ohio. By Americans…Now don’t get me wrong I love Harleys, but I know they have to spend a lot of time in the shop and more then a Honda. So I would say if Honda could fix that part of a Harley, then why not? I can realy give two s**** what kind of bike it
